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ICBA Generals 2024 E6 | LIVE IN THE CROWD | Technology, Work Ethics, and Career Perceptions in Construction with Herb Maretz, President at Pentre Construction Group Ltd.

• James Faulkner

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Can construction be the career of the future? Herb Maretz from Pentre Construction joins us to unveil the fascinating inspiration behind Pentre’s name and reflects on how this heritage shapes their company philosophy. Learn from Herb about the transformative tools like SiteMax that are making construction not only safer and more efficient but also more appealing to younger generations.

Why are traditional work ethics becoming scarce, and how can we revive them? This episode delves into the erosion of work values such as honesty, integrity, and commitment amidst a culture obsessed with instant gratification. We explore the societal shifts that have led to a workforce less prepared for long-term challenges and discuss actionable strategies for employers to inspire dedication and resilience among young professionals. Herb provides insightful perspectives on creating clear construction career growth paths to ensure the success of the future workforce.

This episode also emphasizes the critical role of educating parents about stable career opportunities in construction, showcasing early involvement in trades as a viable and rewarding alternative to traditional university routes. We wrap up with a heartfelt conversation on the value of building connections and fostering meaningful dialogues, inviting listeners to stay engaged through our social media and newsletter for more industry insights.

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Speaker 1:

All right, herb, hello, how are you? I'm doing well, thank you, good good. Herb Meritz from Pintra Pintra Construction. I love that, pintra. I had to ask you for the pronunciation earlier. Yeah, where did the name come from?

Speaker 2:

Actually it's a village in Wales, wales, wales, ah, and it happens to have one of the oldest man-made structures that is still standing and we like that, we like the idea of it's a good metaphor. Yeah, we like the idea of old traditional values and approach and work ethic and we want to couple that with kind of innovation and modernization and forward thinking and so bringing those two worlds together, and so we thought Pintra is a good name.

Speaker 1:

So that's how we came up with it. Welcome to the Site. Visit Podcast. Leadership and perspective from construction With your host, James Faulkner.

Speaker 2:

Live off the show floor at ICBA's Meet the Generals 2024.

Speaker 1:

That's good. A lot of companies come up with names just because they sound good, so at least you have some meaning behind it. Yeah, there's a little bit of a story there, that's for sure. That's pretty cool. So, and how long has the company been around for?

Speaker 2:

We are. It's just over two years, about two and a half years, Wow, okay, so pretty quick.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh, interesting, okay, and where were you guys before this? I mean, you obviously have to be a well-heeled construction professional to start in.

Speaker 2:

Well, we've been around for a long time. I've been around for a long time anyways, and so we work with a number of general contractors, some developers. My business partner, dennis, has got some overseas experience, especially in the Middle East, some overseas experience, especially in the Middle East, and so we've got the educational background. So we've sort of brought the team together and went from place to place and then finally we came to a time where we said, hey, you know what, let's just start our own, nice. And so that's the team that we kept, including field staff.

Speaker 1:

So it's good. And then you brought on a couple of other partners in the meantime, and what is their specialty and how does that round out the team properly?

Speaker 2:

Well, they all have separate businesses, obviously, but it strengthens us from a point of networking, you know, just growing our brand, growing our business, dev and and, obviously, financial capacity and horsepower. So, okay, yeah, they, they all have their own businesses and so the visitor visit our website. We're all on there.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I'll look at it after this, let's get into this conversation? Sure, okay, so interestingly you're a Sitemax customer, so we can talk about that a little bit. And interesting that your sort of genesis story of the name and talking about old things that are together and dovetailed with sort of old values, new technology how do you see this? How do you see technology changing over time? I mean, you've been in the construction industry for a while, right, I always say that it's getting less dirty every year, every day.

Speaker 2:

What do you mean by that?

Speaker 1:

Well, it's just that it's more technology is using. There are more tools, so you don't have to. A very rude example would be you're not standing in a puddle of mud anymore. A machine is. That's what I mean by dirty. It's becoming more technical as we move forward and in 10 years from now there's going to be more control centers driving machines by wire and you're not even there. So when I say less dirty, less dirty for the human beings operating in it.

Speaker 2:

That's what I mean, yeah so would you?

Speaker 1:

would you agree with that? And do you? Do you have like, when you put your head down on the pillow at night, do do you think like, oh God, how is this going to change over the next 10 years?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know, I don't even want to guess, but it's moving so fast, Like when you think of, let's say, from the 80s to the 90s and the 90s to now. So much has happened, Tons, and even in the last five years, even just talking about AI. Who knows where that's going.

Speaker 1:

Does that scare you a little bit.

Speaker 2:

I don't know if it scares me. I'm a little bit skeptical about the whole thing. I'm not sure whether it's going to replace as much as people think. I think there's going to be a really, really steep learning curve in getting getting that integrated into the everyday construction tasks, but so I don't think it's gonna. It's gonna be a while before we really, I think, get as much out of ai, as everybody thinks.

Speaker 1:

Well, it's interesting. You say that because I had a couple of podcasts ago. I had the fellows from the Super Droids construction robot people and what was cool about that was that they're integrating AI into how the robots move and how the robots the data that goes back and then gets crunched for them to know exactly what to do, and what's cool about it is that it does. I think construction is going to get better from it because it replaces the dull, dirty and dangerous that no one wants to do. People want to work, but I think that the cool thing is that now a young person might be a little bit more attracted to construction because they're thinking well, this is cool, I can now work with robots and now I can work with AI. I'm not actually just. I mean, the nail gun is a perfect example, right, you're not doing this with a hammer anymore and that's what's happening. Yeah, so there's going to be the nail gun of everything, and that's where it's actually becoming exciting.

Speaker 1:

And even with sitemax, like we are, there's a reason. If you go into our software and you look at equipment, for instance, equipment kind of looks like a person. Because it will be. We're getting ready? Yeah, because it's. How long is that piece of equipment running? Because there's going to be, because it's going to be expensive. There will be times where you're going to be leasing that on a time basis. Equipment might be moving. You might not actually own this equipment, but it might be moving around from site to site to site so that the capital cost is dispersed.

Speaker 2:

Well, you know, the thing about that is, cost is dispersed. Well, you know, the thing about that is and that's one of the issues that I think is a real cost factor when you're talking about estimating and watching the pennies on the job site is moving material around, yeah, and you know there's all kinds of seminars about, you know, reducing the touches of a sheet of plywood before it finds its home, right, yeah, and so I think that's one place where you can really I can see a lot of benefits and AI and robotics. I think it reminds me of the evolution of the computer. When the computer first started, it came out, you know, get, you had apple and I, um, ibm and, yeah, microsoft, and things evolved and software evolved, and I think I you kind of see the same thing, but it's it's going at a much more accelerated pace. It is it's way, way faster than it was before, I know, and so I think we're gonna we're gonna get to a place, place where we're going to look back and go, wow, that happened in five years.

Speaker 1:

It's interesting. The Super Druids guys talked about one thing. I kind of pushed back a little bit because they said they're working on a humanoid. I thought humanoid. I mean, isn't that just like an ego stroke for us that we're going to deal with a robot that looks like us? I mean, why does it need to have a head and shoulders that can wear a 42 inch jacket like I? To me it just doesn't make any sense. However, what does make sense is that the entire world is built for humans yeah and so a human form fits in that.

Speaker 1:

I'm like, okay that I could kind of see that. So. But you know the stability of walking up and down things, you know the construction site the terrain is not exactly, you know, changes every 10 minutes, right. So but I can see where you would have somebody who would help you on site. That could be a robot the actual human would still be doing the very difficult thing to do, but it could hold up material or another tool forever, whereas somebody, where a human's arm is going to get tired and it's going to, they're going to be like I got to stop, I need to have a coffee break.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, I think it's all of those efficiencies that are cool.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I think, I think, as far as productivity is concerned, it's going to yeah, it's going to really jack that up, which we need, maybe the prices of homes will go down.

Speaker 1:

It's possible.

Speaker 2:

I don't think, honestly, I don't think humans will ever be eliminated from the equation In construction.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there's no way completely.

Speaker 2:

For example, talking about mistakes, that's the first thing that pops in your head is like okay, well, is this going to be mistake-free, error-free? And it goes back to programming, I imagine, and telling it to do what it needs to do. And what happens if there is a mistake? Who's going to correct it?

Speaker 1:

Who's going to clean it up? Yeah, exactly, because human correction is so fast, right, and somebody can intervene very quickly, Whereas an AI can be like. It's almost like remember you would see those sorry, could not input, could not compute, it's kind of that kind of thing.

Speaker 1:

If you have that in construction, people will kick it to the curb Because it's just, we don't have time for this yeah so we're going to see an interesting, interesting, uh, there will be something that I think every site will be like we can't live without that now yeah, definitely I agree, I agree.

Speaker 2:

the other thing also is I think I mean construction is a people, business and relationships, and you know, if there's disputes, you have to sit down with someone and talk about it and sort it out. I don't know if you're going to do that with humanoids.

Speaker 1:

You probably can, but I don't know how far you get, yeah. But it's like for some things like site preparation, for instance, or like what about Shock Crete? Think of Shock Crete. For some things like site preparation, for instance, or like what about shock creed? Think of shock creed, for instance.

Speaker 2:

Like you have something spraying the side of the hole there and you're like, does that need to be a person? But you know, it's funny, you mentioned that particular skill. But there are some things in construction where you need a touch, a touch. Yeah Right, you need a certain finesse or a certain touch. And you talk to the shotcrete people and they say, well, that guy's going to be shooting the shotcrete because he just has the right feel for it. So how do you program that? It's like the Bob Ross of you know, like how do you? Okay, yeah, you can Away, you go on a panel, but if it needs a certain touch, can you program that in? And I guess over time you probably can. But that's going to be the hard part is formulating that what do you think of rebar?

Speaker 1:

Rebar could be kind of interesting. You know the way rebar is tied.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm sure they're going to come up with something that.

Speaker 1:

It's all vector lines. It should be one of the easiest, I would imagine.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they're probably going to prefab it. They'll fly it in and they'll. Yeah, I mean I can see a lot of applications. But yeah, I mean I can see a lot of applications, don't get me wrong, it's pretty cool. It is very cool.

Speaker 1:

I'm very excited about it. So can we chat a little bit about the sort of the? Did you say traditional values or something else? You said something about the sort of traditional, so can you give me an example? Is this just how you operate as a business or is it just how we do things around here? How does that manifest itself?

Speaker 2:

When I say traditional, I mean traditional values, ethics, honesty, integrity, like respect. Work ethic yeah, as I mentioned, work relationships are really important to us, so what do you think?

Speaker 1:

of work ethic. Do you think we've lost that?

Speaker 2:

Oh man, I'm going to get in trouble if I really say so. I take that back. We're still starting to see a lot of slippage, I mean. Um, I mean you see these tiktok videos where somebody's calling in going hey, they expect me to be there 10 minutes early and I actually have to work eight hours and I gotta get on the bus and and you know, all of that is pretty normal. Uh, I thought, but uh, I think I think uh, work ethic is, uh is a rare thing. Now, a strong work ethic is a rare thing. Now, a strong work ethic is becoming more and more rare.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, what do you think it's?

Speaker 2:

Let me just say someone with a strong work ethic is going to succeed. They always will, yeah, they always, and in this market they're going to be stars.

Speaker 1:

So what I find interesting is that, as If we're thinking some of the younger generation, for instance. We did that to them. It didn't just happen because the universe just turned one way. We pandered kids, we made them feel special, we gave them medals when they didn't win anything. Right, I mean, we did this to them and now we're giving them crap for it and saying, hey look, you have a bad work ethic, you're this and that, and I think we need to right the ship somehow. We need to somehow show the way. And what I find difficult is does it feel like we're almost past this point of no return when it's like we can't show? Let's just talk to the previous guest about this.

Speaker 1:

We're trading in a different currency Because you can say, yeah, okay, after a year or two you can make $110,000 in construction. You can, if you wanted to go, crush it. You wanted to start on site. You're totally switched on. Within a couple of years you could be, and then, 20 years later, you can own a lake house, you can have dirt bikes, you can have motorbikes. You know, you've seen so, but to most they're trading in this currency of what do I get? Now, everything's down like you want the new iPhone update. Get it now. You want good. To most, they're trading in this currency of what do I get now? Everything's now Like. You want the new iPhone update, get it now. You want to go get instant gratification Post on Instagram? Wow, I got likes now, everything's now, and anything worthwhile is actually not now.

Speaker 1:

I agree yeah, it's later, so the patience is affecting the work ethic. Because they're like why should I put in so much effort? Because that's the currency we're dealing with. They just don't know they're trading it. You know what I mean? They're almost trading blindly with dollars they don't even know are in their hands, by the things they're saying and how they're acting.

Speaker 2:

Very, very impatient, very low things they're saying and how they're acting. Very, very impatient, very low attention span. And I was talking to a friend of mine. They hired somebody. He started off really great. He wanted to learn the trade, he wanted to eventually take over the business. He worked in it for a year and a half and he came in one day and he said yeah, you know, I was talking to my girlfriend's mother and she figured I should be making about 30 or 40% more money and he said we just can't pay that right now. You've only been here for a year and a half and you know you need to get a lot more experience before we can have that conversation. Okay, well, I guess I'm out of here, right? And? And he left, quit, that's it. I don't know where he went, but that's kind of what you're up against.

Speaker 2:

Even even like for us, hiring people and you've probably heard this many times is, you know, when you the job market right now, when you're hiring people, there's, you know, title is important, but have you done a job from start to finish and, if so, to be done more than one? And so those are the things we struggle with, because there's there's learning experiences and things that you need to know all the way through every stage of the project, and we just we're not equipping them. And you know what? We're doing a huge disservice to young people's careers when we're putting them in situations where, all of a sudden, a problem comes up and they don't know what to do and they're going to fail. And so, yeah, you're right to do, and they're going to fail.

Speaker 1:

And so, yeah, you're right, we're doing that by agreeing to put them in a spot where they're not going to be successful.

Speaker 1:

But I would say that you seem like a pretty charismatic guy. I'm sure that there is a path that you can show people of where they could be and what they could do, and inspire people to to do these great things, and for your company to show them a path. I mean the reality is. I mean, even at sitemax, I always say to people look, you're not going to work here forever, but I'm going to make sure that you, your time here is definitely an uptick for your life. You're going to pay you reasonably well and then from here, I guarantee you're going to be able to get something even better. And that was for everybody. I think we have to trade in the currency of time well spent.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, and there's more than a paycheck at the end of the day, and I think that's what this generation is looking for. Look, my motto at work is have fun, enjoy what you do and always bring your A game. Ah, the A game, yeah, right. So okay, we're going to have fun and we're going to enjoy ourselves. We're going to enjoy what we do, we're going to actually like what we do, and if we don't like it, maybe we should do something else and always bring your A game, because that's what we need here, and I think, if you're willing to do that and you can do that, those three things mesh very well.

Speaker 1:

Do you go to sites?

Speaker 2:

pretty often.

Speaker 1:

I do so when your people are there. How many people would you have on site typically?

Speaker 2:

It depends on the size of the project, but probably 8 to 10.

Speaker 1:

8 to 10 people. So when you come to site are they like wow, okay, herb's here. Is it a different vibe when you're there in a positive way? Obviously a positive way.

Speaker 2:

Sometimes, depending on delays, is it a different vibe when you're there in a positive way, Obviously a positive way. Sometimes I mean, you know, if things are going south, you know they go. Oh, that guy's here. But no, I like to visit the site, I like to see what's going on and, you know, make sure I talk to the guys and see how they're doing personally and yeah, it's important, it's important for them to feel like somebody actually cares about where they are. Yeah, so I think that's really important always thought that it is.

Speaker 2:

It's quite um, it's quite an important thing for people to see a?

Speaker 1:

um good conversation yeah that was christian.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the old, one of the old podcast hosts from the site visit used to be on here. Yeah, um, but uh is for the younger generation to want to have what you are doing now, to have this aspiring thing of. That's why I think that if you've seen some of those ads that are this is construction, this is someone fishing off the back of a boat, it's that inspirational thing where people can see, wow, I can actually get there. Inspirational thing where people can see, wow, I can actually get there. When you are the inspiring part.

Speaker 1:

If people want to be you and be able to, sometimes it's your power that they want. Sometimes it's the influence of what you have that they might want. So when you come to a site and you have a great finesse on dealing with things that impresses people, they go like I thought this whole place was gonna burn down with this problem we have, and he shows up and just nails it every time. That is something that is an inspirational thing for young people to like, aspire to be like, and and I can tell from that person that just came and gave you a pat on the shoulder I think you're like that. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 2:

Maybe?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think so, but that's the cool thing though that's, the X factor with companies is the people with experience who can show people the way, like the Jedi.

Speaker 2:

the Jedi, masters, masters yeah, and I think I think you've got to include um the employees and make make them feel like they actually contributed to solving the problem as well yes, that makes sense and I mean, the last thing I want to do is take credit for everything, that's for sure, and and uh, I want them to to feel like, hey, they helped, they were part of the solution right?

Speaker 1:

Well, you show them how to sling the sword. Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you have to, and there's so much that they can do and be successful at. And I think you've got to be willing to invest time and you've got to care. If you don't care, they're going to see that right away, everybody sees that right away. So it's got to be authentic, it's got to be real.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's an interesting. It's hard to be all. It's a tough business.

Speaker 1:

It is and it's very difficult to be uppity all the time because you're dealing with problems all the time. This is moving humans to make things, which is like I probably. If I wanted you to do something right now, I probably can't actually make you do it. We all have to have aligned goals in order for us to be able to do that thing together. So, with construction being so difficult, it's inherent that we need inspiration around, that we need people to show people the way, and once they do that, they learn a lot of things. And also, I think maybe what the currency of learning? Would you say that that is kind of undervalued these days.

Speaker 2:

I think so, and I think an important part is telling your story. I mean, first of all, nobody can take anything away from your story, your background, your experience, it is what it is. It is and people want to know. Hey, I've been through this problem. This isn't the first time this has happened. It's the first time it's happened to you, but let me tell you how I went through it, and you share your story and even your background, like you mentioned.

Speaker 2:

You know position or power or anything like that. You know I didn't wake up one day and, poof, I'm here, right. You know I started off in the tools and and I worked for years on the site and I went to school. I went to night school and you know like there was a journey, and so I think you need to make it clear that, yeah, it was hard work, but you know what it was fun and I met a lot of great people along the way and the journey was enjoyable, and so I'm here now and I'm having a great time, and so I think that's more inspiring than you know doing the cheerleader thing and the rah-rah speech.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. I think if they can dial into that and go hey, if that guy can do it, I can do it, Do you?

Speaker 1:

think that the fact that we're living in times now where it's kind of easy in general, like I mean, you know, like my parents, it wasn't this easy. No, you know, and when you and I were growing up it wasn't that easy. And so now that we're in this time where it's almost capability is undervalued, like real capability. You've got a hole in your wall Somebody can fix it. You've got issues with something? Somebody can come and fix it. Do you think it's going to take some major world event for that to be valued again?

Speaker 2:

To me it seems like the only way to right the ship well, that's possible, but I, I think, even if we just wait another five or ten years before, uh, the last, the last of the, uh, the baby boomers retire, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, you know, you know what's going to happen when, when a bunch of trades aren't there anymore and and the gray hair is gone, and, uh, you need a plumber or an electrician or, like you say, someone to come patch a hole. What are we going to do? It's, it's, it's scary and I think we really need to. To get back to, you know, encouraging young people and actually encouraging the parents of young people, thank you, to go to go into construction.

Speaker 1:

I said that two hours ago. There is so much martini parties. Yeah, for parents To tell the kids, yes, this is a good opportunity.

Speaker 2:

No, there is so much. Construction is not a guy with a tool belt hammering a nail in. That's one small aspect of it.

Speaker 1:

That's all the parents see, though.

Speaker 2:

Exactly Because that's what's out in the open. There's software.

Speaker 2:

I mean just think of the BIM technology, the sales, robotics, robotics, robotics the list is endless. Right, it is yeah and so. And parents don't realize that. And actually, you know what? I was guilty of that too. My parents were immigrants and came from the trade, and so they wanted a better life for us. So you're going to school and so, fortunately, I still learned a trade, yeah, but my wife and I, we strongly encouraged our kids to go to university. But it's so, it's the parents. So I fully understand that it's the parents.

Speaker 1:

It's so weird, isn't it?

Speaker 2:

It's the parents that need to reset their thinking.

Speaker 1:

But will they? Because the parents these days are trying to live vicariously through their kids because they have lack of meaning themselves. I know, but it's tough, it's so tough. I agree with you 100. I actually said this exact thing half an hour ago two hours ago maybe. I said it twice, but it's definitely there.

Speaker 1:

I was at a different organization, it was a VRCA Whistler thing, and I had a panel. This thing had like four of us on here and I'm screaming at the top of my lungs. I'm like, look, we need martini parties for the parents. This is showing how well their kids can do in construction, showing all how. And I say that it's getting less dirty every day. That's a good message. Because you know, like, let's say, you got a, you got a mom. That's like, well, okay, I'm just gonna say a male. Let's just say michael. Michael only has um, michael only, uh, eats organic and uh, oh, he's not gonna go in a porta potty. And you know, I've we've spent a lot of time trying to do this for him and that for him and it's like all of this stuff's getting in the way and it's all BS. It's all total BS, it is. The reality is that Michael can actually, within a couple of years, make $110,000.

Speaker 2:

And actually be on the road to start his own business from learning that trade and become an entrepreneur, and that should probably make more money than the parents did so my thing is um, I went and spoke at a high school a while back this is a couple years ago and I did a really quick sketch on the they have like a chalkboard there and I said, okay, let's, let's take two kids. They're in grade 10. And one kid gets a summer job, works for a construction company. They like him and they pay him well, and he gets a summer job every year. The other kid just screws around, just takes it easy. They both graduate high school.

Speaker 2:

The one kid goes into trades, learns a trade four years. He's getting paid. So the other kid takes a couple more classes so he can get into university. He goes to university Not getting paid, not getting paid. So it turns out he's going to go to university for six years. He's going to have six years of student debt and so he's going to come out about mid-20s he's going to have a bunch of student debt. He's living at home.

Speaker 2:

The other kid by the time he's 26,. He's got a trade, he's making really good money and he's probably put a down payment on a house. Yeah, really good money, and he's probably put a down payment on the house. Yeah, so he's not living at home, he's not in debt. What do you want for your kid Exactly Now? Unless the guy is the university guy is going to be a doctor or some high paying professional. It means he's still going to go to school until he's about 32. Yeah, and so that's when he's going to start making money. By the time the person that went into construction is 32, he's either a supervisor he's either got his own business or he's on track to be some sort of executive. That's the difference. That's the reality of it, and parents cannot understand that. And when I explain that, you can see the light go on for some of them because they're thinking, oh, hang on a sec. You mean, my son doesn't have to live at home until he's 30?, that's a good one, nice.

Speaker 2:

So that's when the light went on for some of them. Yeah, but that's who you have to reach.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so that's when the light went on for some of them. Yeah, but that's who you have to reach. Yeah, no, I agree that's cool, All right. Well, this has been awesome. Look behind you. It's over. This was great, though.

Speaker 2:

Huh yeah it was good. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah, it was nice to meet you too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, great chatting. Maybe we can have a longer form one and chat a little bit more about. I'd really like to learn about some of the values and some of the lessons you're teaching people, because to me I can just tell by the people who come by and say hi to you you've got lots to say. Thanks, appreciate it, thanks, man. Well, that does it for another episode of the Site Visit. Thank you for listening. Be sure to stay connected with us by following our social accounts on Instagram and YouTube. You can also sign up for our monthly newsletter at sitemaxsystemscom slash, the site visit, where you'll get industry insights, pro tips and everything you need to know about the site visit podcast and sitemax, the job site and construction management tool of choice for thousands of contractors in North America and beyond. Sitemax is also the engine that powers this podcast. All right, let's get back to building.